please keep reddit trash off of lemmy
At first, I thought people were exaggerating by calling her comics a strawman, as the situation mentioned in the comic above happens too commonly.
I did a little digging and found this deleted thread.
To my surprise she turned out exactly like people she seems to be calling out.
Edit: added url
Edit 2: She didn’t respond and went radio silent on people who shared their experience and called her out.
Edit 3 : Found this in the same thread
lol, this feels like the convo in a nutshell…
Alice: “Bob, I’ll bet you could never imagine what it would feel like if X happened to you.”
Bob: “Actually X has happened to me.”
Alice: “Jesus fucking Christ, Bob! Not everything’s about you!”
Why is it that everytime I see this artist nowadays it’s just a preachy kill-a-strawman comic? I remember them being funny back in the day, what happened? Did they change, did I? Am I mistaking a shite copycat for an artist I remember fondly? Is this what senility feels like? How was your day?
A strawman? What the fuck are you talking about?
He apparently identified with the arrogant man in the comic.
I feel like this is one of those conversations you make up in your head and it’s kinda cringe to write it down.
I love seeing these comics. You can always count on like 20 white males showing up asking how this is funny, that it’s a strawman, that pizzacake is terrible, blah blah blah.
The simple thing is, they are comics that give a flavor of the times. Males ARE acting this way. Is it a caricature of a scenario, sure, but that’s what a fucking comic is. Does it have to be “funny” in order to be a comic? No, there are political comics everywhere. Why does pizzacake only get this sort of ire? Is it because she’s calling out white males on the absurdity of their actions, and they don’t like it?
My advice? Chill TF out bros. It’s a comic. If you don’t like it, maybe you should talk to your buddies when they start acting like Andrew Taint’s mouthpiece. Toxic masculinity is a real issue. Sorry that it takes a fucking pizzacake comic to discuss it…
Who is pizzacake and why do so many commenters dislike them?
Have a good read, it’s interesting if you like manufactured drama for the sake of publicity.
Huh, that comic and the responses makes me realize how much people can’t notice their own blind spots, including within the comic itself.
Like in this section with people saying it’s exaggerated or nobody actually talks like that (because they don’t ever perceive it in real life and it seems to ridiculous to be real), and the comic referenced in your link where she says if men were responded to that way, because she apparently can’t see that it is how men are responded to for many of those things, because she’s so used to seeing women as the victims of that stuff perpetrated by mostly men (which is reasonable! What situations would she see the opposite?). What’s telling, though, is the way one side pegs her as a misandrist for it and shit on her work and herself for it, and the other side pegs those for being misogynist for taking issue with her (though, in fairness, some are and will hate on anything by a woman discussing problems for women).
Basically, I feel like this is two groups yelling past each other and being upset about the same issue: gender-based mistreatment. But another key thing is… well, the guys who happen across her comics should recognize that it’s a comic equivalent of TwoXChromosomes from Reddit: it’s by a woman, largely for women, and you should either skip it or read it for a glimpse of a perception you normally don’t experience, not something to argue over. And the women, just like with 2X, should take this stuff with a grain of salt (especially when someone presumes to know what men’s experiences are). Stuff is exaggerated to pinpoint an issue, but you shouldn’t let it poison your view of the world (or men).
Basically, I feel like there’s value in comics like PizzaCake’s, but the heavy commenting should be expected, not hated on. The most value people can get from it would be hearing other perspectives without insulting them for having a different one than your own. Except the actual misogynists (and misandists), they can fuck off, but I think it’s worth giving the benefit of the doubt to start.
well, the guys who happen across her comics should recognize that it’s a comic equivalent of TwoXChromosomes from Reddit: it’s by a woman, largely for women, and you should either skip it or read it for a glimpse of a perception you normally don’t experience, not something to argue over.
So, to cite the devil, as men should not interject in women’s spaces when misandrist tropes are being normalised there, so women should not interject in men’s spaces when men are normalising misogyny.
I don’t know about you but I don’t think that’s the solution to society’s issues. In fact, we should have a standard of both sides policing their own spaces against harmful tropes.
She’s very reddit
From the comments, it seems the artist herself isn’t well liked.
From knowing nothing about the artist, but having seen a huge bulk of these comics: Maybe they’re incels. 🤷🏻♂️ These do tend to be about toxic masculinity and just bad male behavior in general. It’s like seeing a Republican hating someone because that someone they hate calls out Republican bullshit. Considering the vagueness of the hate expressed in the thread, I am leaning toward this being the actual case.
I have no idea what their deal is but one comic sure did cause a lot of butthurt.
Wow, some folks need to remember that online life isn’t real life…
Please, go touch some grass before you scare some normie by talking about your favorite/most-hated web comic.
pizzacakecomics has actually accurately portrayed the way men are treated before:
You think the treatment of men by women is bad? Wait till your whole family dies, and then other men tell you to suck it up.
I really hate their comics. Never anything original.
I really hate scrolling through comments to find ones like this. Never adds to the conversation.
How does someone going against the popular opinion not add to the conversation??
You’re right, they did add something to the conversation. And what they added was a low effort post that did nothing other than waste electricity.
What kind of narcissistic fuck refers to himself as “high value man”
It’s taking the piss out of Andrew Tate and the gullible guys that he’s convinced are superior to women.
lemmy users when they see a lukewarm webcomic (they can just block the community)
It’s such a stupid satire by a sad person who can’t address valid criticism and who feel that their only recourse is to make up a fantasy.
Staw man/Fantasy: Guy telling a random woman on the street, who happens to be married, “I wouldn’t even date you”. The strong and independent woman answers with sarcasm.
Reality: The woman is a single mother with 10+ past partners who has failed to secure a good father for her child. She puts herself online and gets scrutinized and criticized.
This is not a defense of particular internet personalities, who may or may not deserve criticism on their own. Rather, it’s to point out that these comics are stupid, and don’t address valid criticism that’s out there that need to be addressed properly.
Stop. Get some help.
Take your own advice, kiddo.
You’ve never seen the “I wouldn’t even date you” negging, where adult-aged boys try to trick women into pleading their case to the kid?
I think I go to the bar 2 or 3 times a year, and I’ve seen it several times. I’m glad that doesn’t seem to be as much of a thing in the gay community, at least that I’ve seen.
It depends on who the male character in the comic is supposed to be. If it’s in that setting, then yeah I can imagine it happening.
I was thinking about MGTOWs and internet personalities who use words like “high value male/female”, and my interpretation of this comic is that this is supposed to be satire of them. If that’s what the comic artist was going for then, I believe my criticism is deserved.
If it’s referencing immature men saying “I wouldn’t even date you” to women they actually find attractive, well, I haven’t seen it myself but I can imagine it happening. That’s however not what I was thinking about addressing this comic.
The comic is a bit ambiguous about what it’s talking about specifically.
Staw man/Fantasy: Guy telling a random woman on the street, who happens to be married, “I wouldn’t even date you”. The strong and independent woman answers with sarcasm.
This is one of the most prominent parts of manosphere ideology, and they are not quiet about it or shy about sharing it. We used to call it “negging”. This comic is pointing out the absurdity of toxic men thinking they are too good for most women.
Reality: The woman is a single mother with 10+ past partners who has failed to secure a good father for her child.
I have no idea what the reality is for this cartoonist, nor do I care, but you’ve managed to make three misogynistic value judgments in one short sentence, which is kind of impressive in a sad and pathetic way. First, there’s nothing inherently wrong with being a single mother. Second, a woman’s worth is not determined by the number of past partners she’s had, a standard which is never applied to men. Third, securing a good father for her child is not the be-all-end-all goal of a single mother. Raising her child(ren) is. This can be done with or without a man involved.
This is not a defense of particular internet personalities, who may or may not deserve criticism on their own.
Maybe not, but it sure comes off as an endorsement of their values.
Rather, it’s to point out that these comics are stupid, and don’t address valid criticism that’s out there that need to be addressed properly.
So a comic strip didn’t address sexism in the specific way that you approve of, and you think the proper response is to degrade the cartoonist as a whorish single mother who can’t find a good man?
Dude. You are the guy in the comic.
First, there’s nothing inherently wrong with being a single mother.
Single motherhood is not easy, and I have sympathy for any woman who has become a single mother with no power of her own. The critique is not aimed at single motherhood, but rather at women who make (selfish) decisions in life that leaves the children without a father. It cannot be understated how damaging that can be for her children.
One reason why I said that certain internet personalities deserve criticism on their own is that they advocate for men engaging in promiscuity and cause the same problems that these personalities claim they dislike.
Second, a woman’s worth is not determined by the number of past partners she’s had, a standard which is never applied to men.
Yes, it’s a factor that men will judge a woman by. It makes sense, because a more extensive past will more likely affect a future relationship.
Men should be held to a higher standard as well, I don’t disagree with that.
Third, securing a good father for her child is not the be-all-end-all goal of a single mother. Raising her child(ren) is. This can be done with or without a man involved.
It has been shown that children who are raised with a single parent fare worse than with both parents. It’s clear that single motherhood is not something to be desired, neither for the children nor the mothers themselves. Many single mothers are complaining, on the internet about this, so it’s strange that you are trying to defend them by claiming that there is no issue to complain about…
So a comic strip didn’t address sexism in the specific way that you approve of, and you think the proper response is to degrade the cartoonist as a whorish single mother who can’t find a good man?
I wasn’t talking about the cartoonist. I was talking about the made up characters that supposedly reflect reality. When someone sees this comic, it’s most likely that they don’t think about who drew it. They will likely see the comic in isolation from the artist, just like I did.
Just, eww!! Fucking eeewww!! 🤮
Sorry for the unfamiliar opinions. Do you need me to call a doctor?
Yeah, uh no, not unfamiliar. See the above comic. You are in it and it’s got your panties all in a twist apparently.
People who need some professional assistance will do that shit you’re talking about.
I was emoting how sick you make me feel, when one of you randomly creeps up. And especially when you think anyone cares about your weird ideals, for any gender.
I think the problem is that you think I’m arguing in bad faith, and I’m not. Nor is anything that I said that controversial.
No offense, but I think you really need to touch some grass.
Oh my. Well since I only get on here periodically, I think YOU should get your Very Own Personal Tag!
Then, if you’re still around after I unblock you, I’ll get to see your fancy lil tag if you shownup, and remember how sensitive you got over a comic. That you coulda’ just ignored ffs.
