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Right, well, its not 2003 anymore

Don’t you need a Windows account to buy a key?

Yeah I mean how are they going to verify you paid without an associated account

I don’t know how many ways I can explain that none of this is relevant to the discussion at hand. Which is, as a reminder:

Wouldn’t this only affect goods manufactured in the USA.

All of what you said is true, and yet this statement remains completely incorrect and the opposite of reality.

Serious or trolling?

God, this response is just fucking lazy and boring. You could at least make interesting when you lob ad hominems because you don’t understand the conversation. We were not discussing the merits of tariffs, we were discussing the facts. And the fact is that tariffs only negatively impact imported goods, by nature of being a tariff…

Do you think a tariff on copper would apply to an iPhone?

…of course?

Or a tariff on oil?

Do your iPhones usually take oil? 🤔

That’s not how tariffs work. You can’t just circumvent them by packaging them differently.

Where do you see that?

I don’t understand what any of that has to do with this discussion.

That’s not correct.

Whether they can or do make their own chips is irrelevant to who is impacted by tariffs.

This is not semantics. The statement was “this will only affect goods manufactured in the US”. No amount of semantics will make that correct.

Otherwise yes, I agree.

To expand slightly, I don’t think tariffs are a inherently a bad idea. As part of a larger plan (in tandem with Biden’s “build back better” financial incentives and other measures) they can be effective. Yes, they will increase prices. That’s going to happen simply because the US generally doesn’t exploit exploit cheap/slave labor. At least nowhere near the level of China. In the long term, theoretically, it brings jobs back to America and the median income increases. If you want to talk about affordability there are an infinite number of ways to improve that as well.

However, the way Trump has implemented them is haphazard, lazy, and unclear. Without even a concept of a plan. And the next President could very well wipe them all out overnight, thereby fucking any factories that made the decision to migrate. So yeah, they will absolutely fail.

Why wouldn’t the tariff apply to chips already in devices? That’s the way its always been discussed.

What? Are you putting American chips in these phones manufactured in China? Why would you think they wouldn’t be subjected to the chip tariff?

If you manufactured it in the USA there are no tariffs. I don’t know why this is so hard to understand. Manufactured in the USA = no tariffs. Manufactured outside the USA = tariffs. It’s really that simple.

Labor has always been more expensive in the US, that’s why tariffs exist.

Its really fucking lame to label everyone you don’t understand as a “troll/bot”.

I don’t know how many ways there are to explain that tariffs only impact imported goods. If it’s manufactured in the US, there is no tariff. This is, in fact, how tariffs work.

“Trolling” = discussing facts? You are the one who doesn’t understand. It’s very simple: US tariffs do not apply to US products.

Not correct. Once again, tariffs only affect imported goods. If you buy an iPhone built in China (assuming you import to the US) you’re going to pay a tariff on the device.

If you buy a phone built in America, with Chinese processors, you only pay tariff on the processor.

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Read all of the comments here. I’m not disagreeing that it would drive prices up, I’m disagreeing that there would be tariffs on American products, because that’s not how tariffs work.

If you manufacture the product in the US, you need to pay 100% tariffs for all the chips.

Incorrect. Once again, tariffs are only for imported products. That’s how tariffs work.