I do think that even with the “this is woke I’m not listening” crowd it’s possible. You need to practice active listening to get in the door though. Tell them what you hear and explain it in your words. Sometimes you hear wrong and sometimes they realize how dumb it sounds when you repeat it again.

Idk it seems totally possible… A lot of work… But possible. Aside from raising my kids to think correctly and be good people that’s the only other way I can benefit society / the people around me. I just listen and challenge, and try to keep my personal feelings out of it initially.

It just really feels like people want everything distilled into a 30s tiktok video and its really hard to see everything go that direction…

I think its not pointless. Many people are not intentionally this way, they’ve just fallen for propaganda.

I was one of those people, but because I had a good friend at a job who didn’t judge me and gave me a more informed and alternate viewpoint, it really changed my mind on a lot of things.

There are some people who might honestly be open to having a true discussion, and that’s the first step to changing minds I think.

I have had better luck where instead of trying to prove someone wrong, I make them just say their opinion out loud and explain it very clearly for me. Some people realize how shallow their views and knowledge are when you do this for them

I don’t doubt it… but there has to be some way to pull people back from the hole they’ve dug themselves into. Straight up ignoring them seems counterproductive, but you’re right… I’m not an expert and im sure people have tried

It just feels sad and frustrating to me as well. This guy obviously seems to have some talent but got sucked into something that overshadows his talent with just plain idiocy on things he doesn’t know anything about it seems like…

Really sad times

Edit: just read the article you sent. This was particularly in the case of sending out messaging where people can’t have a discussion back with you.

I totally understand and I’m more ranting about this just in general… My in laws are super Trumpers and just going down the rabbit hole. I totally get that its exhausting to argue or try to push them to think about the shit they are saying, but its the only thing I can think of that MIGHT help

Does being intolerant of intolerance actually work though?

Note: I’m not being tolerant of their views, im challenging them constantly on them in a constructive way (at least to me). It doesn’t generally go over well, but it has helped seemingly to treat them with respect and to do active listening and challenge that by making them actually feel like you’ve heard them.

Just alienate them more and they will get better on their own… Right?

I think the guy you’re responding to is saying that communication and not alienation is how we bring these people out of whatever holes they’ve dug themselves into.

I know hes getting downvoted a ton, but if my take on what he wrote is correct then I also agree with him.

The reason the world is so divided right now is because nobody wants to talk through things with open minds and with empathy.