Clearly there are environmental factors that lead to this. Nature vs nurture. There are plenty of well adjusted men that don’t suck so it’s not an inherent trait. I think it’s already happening to some degree, but there needs to be more of a societal change in teaching boys about empathy and masculinity. Not promote masculinity, but to understand it better.
I know when I was young, boys crying was unacceptable. You had to be tough. It’s those kinds of lessons that lead to men being not well adjusted adults. As a guy I can obviously relate to this rage bait comic to a degree, but I was fortunately raised in a stable home around good people that taught me empathy.
I also hate generalities, like “all men”, “all women”, "every person form <insert country>, so I find it acceptable whenever any person is wrapped up in one that they can defend themselves. It’s these kinds of statements like what this comic is saying, that lead to men isolating themselves or turning to masculine echo chambers for support. It’s part of the problem. If people want change, they need to act in a manner that allows it. Don’t generalize people, listen, interpret, and then act on that information appropriately. Some people can’t be reasoned with in the manosphere, but some can. If you want change for the better, then it takes effort on both sides.
It’s very easy to justify your opinions when, if someone tries to take a counter position, “Oh, I didn’t mean that situation so I’m still right”.
The problem with this isn’t that they’re saying that problems exist… it’s that it’s so simplistic and overly-broad that it attacks broadly without ever aiming at anyone. You can just say “I wasn’t aiming for you” without ever specifying specifically what you did mean that anyone trying to bring context or have an actual discussion about the problem (and thus find a way to make things better) can be seen as just being argumentative and part of that “toxic masculinity”.
Talking about it and trying to find root causes, and maybe a way to fix the issue, is not perpetuating this problem. Whining about it then shutting anyone down who does the former is perpetuating it. All it does is breed divisiveness and tribalism.
I have no patience for men who barge into a women’s conversation with “well actually” - it’s not my job to drop everything and find the root causes for why they’re acting this way or to help them feel validated because they got their ego wounded when two women were existing without acknowledging their presence.
Men with fragile egos can do the work to become better without women hand-holding them. Better yet, more stable and secure men can step in and help their brothers rein it in.
Clearly there are environmental factors that lead to this. Nature vs nurture. There are plenty of well adjusted men that don’t suck so it’s not an inherent trait. I think it’s already happening to some degree, but there needs to be more of a societal change in teaching boys about empathy and masculinity. Not promote masculinity, but to understand it better.
I know when I was young, boys crying was unacceptable. You had to be tough. It’s those kinds of lessons that lead to men being not well adjusted adults. As a guy I can obviously relate to this rage bait comic to a degree, but I was fortunately raised in a stable home around good people that taught me empathy.
I also hate generalities, like “all men”, “all women”, "every person form <insert country>, so I find it acceptable whenever any person is wrapped up in one that they can defend themselves. It’s these kinds of statements like what this comic is saying, that lead to men isolating themselves or turning to masculine echo chambers for support. It’s part of the problem. If people want change, they need to act in a manner that allows it. Don’t generalize people, listen, interpret, and then act on that information appropriately. Some people can’t be reasoned with in the manosphere, but some can. If you want change for the better, then it takes effort on both sides.
The comic doesn’t generalize all men. It literally says sometimes men’s egos can be fragile.
Oof, I did overlook that.
I’m gonna leave my comment because I think it still makes a general point, but I did miss the mark.
It’s very easy to justify your opinions when, if someone tries to take a counter position, “Oh, I didn’t mean that situation so I’m still right”.
The problem with this isn’t that they’re saying that problems exist… it’s that it’s so simplistic and overly-broad that it attacks broadly without ever aiming at anyone. You can just say “I wasn’t aiming for you” without ever specifying specifically what you did mean that anyone trying to bring context or have an actual discussion about the problem (and thus find a way to make things better) can be seen as just being argumentative and part of that “toxic masculinity”.
Talking about it and trying to find root causes, and maybe a way to fix the issue, is not perpetuating this problem. Whining about it then shutting anyone down who does the former is perpetuating it. All it does is breed divisiveness and tribalism.
I have no patience for men who barge into a women’s conversation with “well actually” - it’s not my job to drop everything and find the root causes for why they’re acting this way or to help them feel validated because they got their ego wounded when two women were existing without acknowledging their presence.
Men with fragile egos can do the work to become better without women hand-holding them. Better yet, more stable and secure men can step in and help their brothers rein it in.