Do you really think doctors and nurses are the only people who work at a hospital or in healthcare in general?
Even in a hospital doctors and nurses are about half of all personnel. People need daily care, need food, need someone to help them get from one place to another, like when they need to get medical exams.
Outside of a hospital there are plenty of jobs that bring you into contact with people that don’t need an extensive degree. Maybe a couple months of training.
Those are not jobs that would give me any fulfillment whatsoever. What are the complex technical problems to solve in feeding someone? In moving them around? It’s exactly the same as factory assembly line work. A monotonous grind with no end in sight, nothing gets “done” because there’s a bunch more of the same every day until you retire.
I’m psychologically incapable of doing these types of jobs. Yes I’m medicated and no it doesn’t help too much. I have crippling ADHD. I’ve done factory work before and like I said, it makes me want to off myself. This was the type of job we were supposed to let robots handle, not the ones where we actually get to use our brains.
I also don’t see “bring you into contact with people” as a positive for a job in any way. I’ve found that any time I have to work with customers, they can be absolutely annoying idiots. Just hanging out with people I actually like is a completely different proposition. It’s just that when people need something, they rarely know what they need and you have the options of either making them angry by suggesting they’re wrong, or making them angry by letting them be wrong. To be clear, I don’t consider myself immune to this. See me walk into an automotive paint store or a doctor’s office and my questions and ideas are probably very stupid. But I make up for it by not arguing when I’m being corrected by the person that actually knows what they’re doing.
That was not the question you asked. Health care is only one of the options. Go ask an LLM for some more ideas that are more to your liking if you don’t have the imagination yourself.
It was. I literally said challenging. I can only do jobs that use the brain, because otherwise I’ll want to kill myself. These jobs no longer exist at the entry level in most fields. I don’t think we’ll even have junior doctors or lawyers for long, let alone engineers and such.
Like I said, I have a job already, but many others like me will have to work jobs they hate for the rest of their lives. I can’t be the only one who feels existential dread at factory labour type jobs (which includes the ones you described in healthcare, I don’t see them being significantly different from working in an Amazon warehouse once you’ve been doing it long enough to be desensitised to the whole “at least I’m helping people” thing which just isn’t enough eventually).
I’ve tried not having an engaging job, that’s how I know I wanted to kill myself dude… I’ve had to do boring work before. Several years in fact. Do you know what effect the words “think less” have on someone who hates being a mindless drone?
Understand that some people just aren’t compatible with factory work, or the hospital equivalent of factory work that you suggested. I’m not wired that way. Good for you if you are.
AI is deleting options for these people. Young people growing up right now will all have to flip burgers at mcdonalds or change bedsheets for patients or do other similar menial work while us old fucks hold on at all cost to the jobs people actually want to do and our bosses will refuse to hire junior level employees for us to train. Because useful human brains are expensive to train and untrained ones are less useful than whatever AI can hallucinate up. Education won’t solve this either, you need several years on the job to be more useful than an AI agent now and that number keeps going up. And that’s going to happen in most fields. Bonus point: eventually even doctors aren’t safe. AI can’t be liable for patient well-being, but doctors can be made to “see” 100 patients a day using AI. Doctors will be expected to just sign off on everything unless they can see an error immediately. Teachers are also getting pretty redundant. If AI creates the assignments, AI writes the students’ answers and then AI grades it… Why do we even need teachers?
Did I? These are important jobs that are much more meaningful than what you’re doing now. Calling it janitorial work or factory work is not only ignorant but also arrogant and demeaning to those people.
Being a mindless drone is what you are right now working for a company. You’re an AI in fleshy form.
Being stuck in dead-end office jobs working like robots is draining people and society. AI sucks and it is gonna suck for a while, but everyone can adapt, including you. So yes, take a course, learn something new and take charge. Even now you’re asking me for what you should do with the rest of your life. You should be able to figure that out. And if you’re not able, then yes, ask Claude or something. AI is coming, whether you like it or not, so you can either go with it or forever fight an uphill battle and become even more miserable than with these “janitor” jobs of yours.
These are important jobs that are much more meaningful than what you’re doing now
You don’t really know what exactly I’m doing now, but that’s beside the point. I never said they were unimportant, I said there’s not enough challenge to keep my brain occupied. I have pretty severe ADHD. If I don’t get to do something new and interesting nearly every day, I’ll start performing very poorly soon. If the entire planet was dependent on me doing the same exact thing for 8 hours a day and even if I knew it… Well in a few months, we’d all be dead. It wouldn’t be unimportant, it would just not be meaningfully challenging for me and I’d get complacent. It’s how my brain works and even medication doesn’t help a lot. In my first job, I helped displace 2-3 tons of CO2 emissions per day by fixing used laptops slated for landfill, giving them what I’d hope was years of new life. It was great for a while, but it became meaningless for me because it was too easy. 2 years in, I knew that if I had to do it for much longer, I would never recover mentally. I didn’t make it to 3 years at that job.
Being a mindless drone is what you are right now working for a company. You’re an AI in fleshy form.
I mean you don’t really know my situation, I’m actually the sole employee at my company. I decide when, how much and who to work for. I have a few favorite clients that know to give me tough problems rather than boring, repetitive things.
Being stuck in dead-end office jobs working like robots is draining people and society
Well, some people don’t want to be lumberjacks or construction workers. Some prefer knowledge work. Those who get into it just for the money will feel drained, I’m sure. But I know a lot of people like myself who do it purely because they love a good problem to solve. I don’t think many of them would function well within normal “meaningful” jobs in the physical world over the long term.
So yes, take a course, learn something new and take charge.
My point was that anything you’d really need taking a course in, won’t be hiring new junior employees by the time you’re finished. Doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers, writers, interpreters, artists are going to have their numbers thinned HARD. What we’ll have left for young people is manual labor, customer service, cleaning, etc. Jobs where employees become useful fairly quickly as far as the learning curve is concerned and people are paid low enough that they’re not worth replacing with machines. Tradies will have it safe for now, but I’m anticipating that there will be a LOT more competition for those jobs, particularly electricians because that’s less physically demanding and smelly than plumbing or construction. Which means wages in the trades are also going to go down, particularly for fresh employees.
Anyway, as I said before, I already have enough years of experience in my field that I likely still have a future in it. If I wasn’t raising a toddler alone as a single father, I could grind myself to early retirement in 10 years doing 200 hours a month, but currently I’m working more like 40 a month as a “mindless drone” and it’s enough to get by. It’s not me I’m worried about. I’m worried about other people who can’t handle doing boring work day in and day out.
Do you really think doctors and nurses are the only people who work at a hospital or in healthcare in general? Even in a hospital doctors and nurses are about half of all personnel. People need daily care, need food, need someone to help them get from one place to another, like when they need to get medical exams.
Outside of a hospital there are plenty of jobs that bring you into contact with people that don’t need an extensive degree. Maybe a couple months of training.
Those are not jobs that would give me any fulfillment whatsoever. What are the complex technical problems to solve in feeding someone? In moving them around? It’s exactly the same as factory assembly line work. A monotonous grind with no end in sight, nothing gets “done” because there’s a bunch more of the same every day until you retire.
I’m psychologically incapable of doing these types of jobs. Yes I’m medicated and no it doesn’t help too much. I have crippling ADHD. I’ve done factory work before and like I said, it makes me want to off myself. This was the type of job we were supposed to let robots handle, not the ones where we actually get to use our brains.
I also don’t see “bring you into contact with people” as a positive for a job in any way. I’ve found that any time I have to work with customers, they can be absolutely annoying idiots. Just hanging out with people I actually like is a completely different proposition. It’s just that when people need something, they rarely know what they need and you have the options of either making them angry by suggesting they’re wrong, or making them angry by letting them be wrong. To be clear, I don’t consider myself immune to this. See me walk into an automotive paint store or a doctor’s office and my questions and ideas are probably very stupid. But I make up for it by not arguing when I’m being corrected by the person that actually knows what they’re doing.
That was not the question you asked. Health care is only one of the options. Go ask an LLM for some more ideas that are more to your liking if you don’t have the imagination yourself.
It was. I literally said challenging. I can only do jobs that use the brain, because otherwise I’ll want to kill myself. These jobs no longer exist at the entry level in most fields. I don’t think we’ll even have junior doctors or lawyers for long, let alone engineers and such.
Like I said, I have a job already, but many others like me will have to work jobs they hate for the rest of their lives. I can’t be the only one who feels existential dread at factory labour type jobs (which includes the ones you described in healthcare, I don’t see them being significantly different from working in an Amazon warehouse once you’ve been doing it long enough to be desensitised to the whole “at least I’m helping people” thing which just isn’t enough eventually).
So that’s what you were sort of cheering for.
I answered:
Also: quit being so dramatic. If you don’t even want to try you will fail for sure.
And you suggested… Janitorial work.
I’ve tried not having an engaging job, that’s how I know I wanted to kill myself dude… I’ve had to do boring work before. Several years in fact. Do you know what effect the words “think less” have on someone who hates being a mindless drone?
Understand that some people just aren’t compatible with factory work, or the hospital equivalent of factory work that you suggested. I’m not wired that way. Good for you if you are.
AI is deleting options for these people. Young people growing up right now will all have to flip burgers at mcdonalds or change bedsheets for patients or do other similar menial work while us old fucks hold on at all cost to the jobs people actually want to do and our bosses will refuse to hire junior level employees for us to train. Because useful human brains are expensive to train and untrained ones are less useful than whatever AI can hallucinate up. Education won’t solve this either, you need several years on the job to be more useful than an AI agent now and that number keeps going up. And that’s going to happen in most fields. Bonus point: eventually even doctors aren’t safe. AI can’t be liable for patient well-being, but doctors can be made to “see” 100 patients a day using AI. Doctors will be expected to just sign off on everything unless they can see an error immediately. Teachers are also getting pretty redundant. If AI creates the assignments, AI writes the students’ answers and then AI grades it… Why do we even need teachers?
Did I? These are important jobs that are much more meaningful than what you’re doing now. Calling it janitorial work or factory work is not only ignorant but also arrogant and demeaning to those people.
Being a mindless drone is what you are right now working for a company. You’re an AI in fleshy form.
Being stuck in dead-end office jobs working like robots is draining people and society. AI sucks and it is gonna suck for a while, but everyone can adapt, including you. So yes, take a course, learn something new and take charge. Even now you’re asking me for what you should do with the rest of your life. You should be able to figure that out. And if you’re not able, then yes, ask Claude or something. AI is coming, whether you like it or not, so you can either go with it or forever fight an uphill battle and become even more miserable than with these “janitor” jobs of yours.
You don’t really know what exactly I’m doing now, but that’s beside the point. I never said they were unimportant, I said there’s not enough challenge to keep my brain occupied. I have pretty severe ADHD. If I don’t get to do something new and interesting nearly every day, I’ll start performing very poorly soon. If the entire planet was dependent on me doing the same exact thing for 8 hours a day and even if I knew it… Well in a few months, we’d all be dead. It wouldn’t be unimportant, it would just not be meaningfully challenging for me and I’d get complacent. It’s how my brain works and even medication doesn’t help a lot. In my first job, I helped displace 2-3 tons of CO2 emissions per day by fixing used laptops slated for landfill, giving them what I’d hope was years of new life. It was great for a while, but it became meaningless for me because it was too easy. 2 years in, I knew that if I had to do it for much longer, I would never recover mentally. I didn’t make it to 3 years at that job.
I mean you don’t really know my situation, I’m actually the sole employee at my company. I decide when, how much and who to work for. I have a few favorite clients that know to give me tough problems rather than boring, repetitive things.
Well, some people don’t want to be lumberjacks or construction workers. Some prefer knowledge work. Those who get into it just for the money will feel drained, I’m sure. But I know a lot of people like myself who do it purely because they love a good problem to solve. I don’t think many of them would function well within normal “meaningful” jobs in the physical world over the long term.
My point was that anything you’d really need taking a course in, won’t be hiring new junior employees by the time you’re finished. Doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers, writers, interpreters, artists are going to have their numbers thinned HARD. What we’ll have left for young people is manual labor, customer service, cleaning, etc. Jobs where employees become useful fairly quickly as far as the learning curve is concerned and people are paid low enough that they’re not worth replacing with machines. Tradies will have it safe for now, but I’m anticipating that there will be a LOT more competition for those jobs, particularly electricians because that’s less physically demanding and smelly than plumbing or construction. Which means wages in the trades are also going to go down, particularly for fresh employees.
Anyway, as I said before, I already have enough years of experience in my field that I likely still have a future in it. If I wasn’t raising a toddler alone as a single father, I could grind myself to early retirement in 10 years doing 200 hours a month, but currently I’m working more like 40 a month as a “mindless drone” and it’s enough to get by. It’s not me I’m worried about. I’m worried about other people who can’t handle doing boring work day in and day out.