Society will adapt. It always has.
People can make much more meaningful contributions to society than working at a desk at some software company. Let the AI do that. Humans are way too valuable for that. Meaningfulness of the work one does is one of the most important features of work satisfaction. Not everyone needs to be a doctor, nurse or teacher. Those are just the most common examples, but there are many more meaningful jobs where you are not simply an AI in human form slaving away at a desk job.
It is also simply not true that things like suicide and addiction rates were higher in the recent past. For example, look at drug overdose rates that have risen sharply in the past decades.
You’re sweeping a lot under the rug with that first sentence: Society will adapt. Yeah sure, barring global catastrophe, it will. Doesn’t mean people won’t die and suffer in the process.
I’m making no claims about good vs. bad jobs here; people can self-actualize however they like in my book. Nor was I making any specific point about epidemiology of deaths of despair in the recent past, but I think that trend serves to illustrate the overall point.
What am I sweeping under the rug? I’m not saying that change will be easy, but I’m talking about the end result. Too many people have made the wrong choices and got fooled by companies dangling big paychecks in front of their noses to work shitty office jobs.
You insinuated that in the past, people killed themselves more and had more addiction problems due to the fact that they couldn’t get the job they wanted. That is simply not true and just guessing at things you can’t back up. I’m showed you that the opposite is true: the data only shows that deaths of despair are getting worse than before we had all these bullshit jobs. Whether that is because of them or not cannot be said, but it shows that what you’re saying is not true.
So for the last few millennia, technology has automated away mostly manual labor and created room for knowledge work. The stuff that used to require a human brain. The “slave jobs” you’re talking about.
AI has the opposite effect. Engineers, teachers, doctors, lawyers, nurses are going to be mostly worthless (surgeons will still be necessary for a while and nurses will still need to administer IVs and such, but largely anything that’s not physically interacting with a patient will be automated away quicker). Anything creative is out the window too. AI can write 500 movie scripts in the time you can write one… And we were already trending towards slop with streaming.
The jobs that are safest for now are the ones where you don’t need to use your brain but your body. Physical automatons are more expensive to buy and maintain than subscribing to some AI agent service and the workers they replace are cheaper.
Many of the jobs you mentioned, especially teachers, doctors and nurses cannot simply be replaced by AI because it doesn’t have the human aspect.
A teacher needs to motivate people and be a mentor, understand kids’ reasoning and not display basic facts. We already had books for that.
AI is still very bad at solving the complex issues that doctors solve. It can’t do a physical examination and not everything is based on hard verifiable data, but also experience.
And nurses? I mean, you can think of that one for yourself.
Yes a lot of jobs are at risk. Not all are equally at risk though and “mostly worthless” is a looooong stretch.
A teacher needs to motivate people and be a mentor
Technically that’s the parents’ job as much as the teachers’. Just need to push for parents to shoulder more of the load. And who says we won’t have a specialized motivator/mentor AI in a year or two?
understand kids’ reasoning and not display basic facts. We already had books for that.
But even a simple chatbot like ChatGPT is very reactive and can pretend very well to understand reasoning, just like a teacher. And every student can ask their chatbot for help at the same time. Personally, I’m from a small town in Estonia - I can tell you that when I went to school, I had multiple teachers who for sure would’ve been inferior to 2022 ChatGPT, let alone 2026 ChatGPT or Claude. We just didn’t have better teachers available in this shithole. I’ve had an English teacher that didn’t speak English (she was actually a history teacher and a poor one at that, they just didn’t have a real English teacher to assign to us that year), an Estonian teacher that didn’t really understand Estonian… IN ESTONIA. I have no idea where they dug her up from. And over the years, I think at least two IT teachers who barely knew how to use a computer. One of the German teachers and one of the History teachers also couldn’t stop telling their personal stories. Learned nothing in either of those subjects that year. Luckily most of those horrible teachers only ended up teaching my class for one year at some point or another.
Actually the most valuable thing about school that technology can’t replace is the physical building itself containing the students. Just having a bunch of other kids your age, who are also going through what you’re going through. That’s worth more than any teacher, as we learned during COVID when kids were deprived of it.
AI is still very bad at solving the complex issues that doctors solve
AI is still very bad at solving the complex issues that software engineers solve. Yet junior engineers are no longer finding jobs.
It can’t do a physical examination
Yes, that’s what I’m saying, there will be people whose job is nothing more than to do things like that, to provide the data. Then AI can guesstimate shit, and the doctor’s job will be just to verify that the AI didn’t fuck up. There’s no need to pay a great doctor that can talk to the patient, do a physical, come up with a diagnosis and solutions if you can just pay a mediocre one that just takes liability for the AI if it fucks up. You can also pay far fewer doctors. Of course there will be radiology techs, physical examination givers (might literally become a low wage job of its own to fill out standardized tests). Etc. But you’ll just have one or two specialized employees per task, rather than someone who needs a multi year degree and needs to know everything about the human body.
not everything is based on hard verifiable data, but also experience.
Good news then, because AI is literally 100% experience, 0% hard verifiable data. Chances are you’re adding to some future AI’s experience every time you fill something out on your EMR. Especially if it connects e.g radiology data to your notes.
And nurses? I mean, you can think of that one for yourself.
I already said they’ll still exist, but their job will be a physical interface between the AI system and the patients, more than anything. Maybe this’ll take 10 years rather than 2, but it’ll happen.
Yes a lot of jobs are at risk. Not all are equally at risk though and “mostly worthless” is a looooong stretch.
The ones least at risk are, like I said, low-paid physical jobs. Also any high-end executives. CEOs do nothing of real value, but they won’t be replaced by AI because they’re friends with the directors. Parliament/congress will still be around. Of course in my country they’re talking about using AI to legislate as well. Or perhaps they’ve already started. We’re fucking doomed, yay.
Safest bet in 2026 is actually trades, because that gets you a job where you still need knowledge and experience is worth something, but you also have to be present physically. Automating a plumber or electrician is harder than automating a doctor or an engineer, that’s just how it is with modern AI. But with how many people are now unemployed, those jobs will also start paying a lot less than they used to.
Remember, for any job, it doesn’t REALLY matter if the AI can do it well, only how well it can be sold to the government, or company stakeholders, etc. If an AI can do 20% of a person’s job and the person costs 10x more than the AI to employ… That person can be laid off and other employees will have to pick up the remaining 80%, for no extra pay of course.
At the end of the day, as long as we still need jobs to live, we’re all fucked. There’s going to be no real middle class under capitalism anymore. There’s a war on many fronts and our jobs going away or getting enshittified is just one.
To be clear I don’t think anyone’s losing their existing job tomorrow. Doctor, teacher, engineer, lawyer, whatever. I think getting into any of these careers is going to be very difficult soon, the salaries for new hires in particular, but also everyone in general, will drop hard, and AI will replace humans gradually, and perhaps not completely. But all of these jobs are going to be streamlined, with AI doing most of the thinking for you, and the human being there for liability only.
Technically that’s the parents’ job as much as the teachers’. Just need to push for parents to shoulder more of the load.
Sounds like a wonderful plan.
But even a simple chatbot like ChatGPT is very reactive and can pretend very well to understand reasoning, just like a teacher.
Pretend. Yes. Thank you.
Teaching may be aided by AI. Just like books, blackboards, curriculums, videos, power points etc.
I can tell you that when I went to school, I had multiple teachers who for sure would’ve been inferior to 2022 ChatGPT, let alone 2026 ChatGPT or Claude
You told me I was praising AI. Then what do you call this? Guess each accusation is an admission in disguise…
Good news then, because AI is literally 100% experience, 0% hard verifiable data
Not the experience I was talking about. AI has read a lot of books. That’s it.
It’s already what teachers are advocating for, since they have too much responsibility currently, and parents often don’t have a big enough role in their kids lives.
Pretend. Yes. Thank you. Teaching may be aided by AI.
Yes, and that’s enough functionally. Actual understanding is not necessary if you can fake it to the point that people actually think AI is cognitive. Hell, did you read that article about Richard Dawkins now thinking Claude is conscious?
Just like books, blackboards, curriculums, videos, power points etc.
You do realize that videos and power points aren’t interactive and can’t generate their own lesson plans or grade tests, but AI can, right? You can see how that’s different, right?
You told me I was praising AI. Then what do you call this? Guess each accusation is an admission in disguise…
You were praising AI for causing people to be unemployed, essentially. I’m saying AI’s a danger to our society because while it’s still not conscious and in its current form never will be, it can displace large amounts of jobs because it’s good enough. It will be used by capitalists to restructure society so we can all be in relative poverty.
Not the experience I was talking about. AI has read a lot of books. That’s it.
LLMs have read a lot of books. There are other types of AI. Every day at work by interfacing with IT systems, you’re providing training material for future AI solutions in your field. They might not be LLMs at all. The contracts to train them off your patient data may not exist yet. But they will. Probably it’ll be Palantir sucking up to your government to get it. UK’s NHS is already letting Palantir hoover up healthcare data.
But good thing we can get rid of many doctors and teachers eventually, like you said about us engineers. We’ll need them for actually meaningful work in the trades and the hospitality industry.
Please stick to one thread. I’m not reading three different ones.
Yes, and that’s enough functionally. Actual understanding is not necessary if you can fake it to the point that people actually think AI is cognitive. Hell, did you read that article about Richard Dawkins now thinking Claude is conscious?
No it’s not LOL. Like you can pretend to be a very coginitvely smart and important person, but reality is different.
People say a lot of things. Now we get to make memes about them.
You do realize…
Yes. I realize a lot of stuff. Maybe if you challenge yourself a bit more you could have figured that out yourself. I also realize books don’t have moving images like a video and that a laptop is not a blackboard. Thank you.
You were praising AI for causing people to be unemployed, essentially.
So in your line of thinking, if I say it’s a good thing that the oil crisis accelerated the transition to renewable energy, am I praising Trump and the Irani regime?
If I tell you it’s a good thing Europe is improving their defence, am I praising Putin or Trump?
But good thing we can get rid of many doctors and teachers eventually, like you said about us engineers. We’ll need them for actually meaningful work in the trades and the hospitality industry.
Please stick to one thread. I’m not reading three different ones.
Make fewer comments in the same thread then.
No it’s not LOL.
Source on that please.
Like you can pretend to be a very coginitvely smart and important person, but reality is different
Never pretended to be either, I just said that if I’m not challenged with what pretty much amounts to puzzles of a sort, I get bored. I also said several times that this is because I have very severe ADHD not because I’m very “coginitively” (sic) smart or anything.
Yes. I realize a lot of stuff. Maybe if you challenge yourself a bit more you could have figured that out yourself. I also realize books don’t have moving images like a video and that a laptop is not a blackboard. Thank you.
Well your previous comment sure sounded like you didn’t know the difference, comparing AI to a blackboard. AI is closer to a teacher than to a textbook in interactivity. It regurgitates previously learned information, sure… But so do teachers. And while it can’t really reason, it gets the job done better than a lot of teachers in small towns in particular, where there’s really no competition for the jobs (rather, everyone’s competing for the teachers).
So in your line of thinking, if I say it’s a good thing that the oil crisis accelerated the transition to renewable energy, am I praising Trump and the Irani regime? If I tell you it’s a good thing Europe is improving their defence, am I praising Putin or Trump?
The oil crisis has an upside because using oil is actually bad for the environment. What’s the upside of millions of people losing their jobs? That they can enter other industries and drive wages down there? It’s great for the capitalists, not for the rest of us.
You kinda did by calling other people’s work janitorial and factory work as if that was a bad thing.
Well your previous comment sure sounded like you didn’t know the difference, comparing AI to a blackboard.
That is not my lack of understanding, but yours. Both are tools for a teacher to use. How is this tool any different just because it appears to “talk back”? A powerpoint is more advanced than a book and a video more advanced than a still image. Teachers who dealt with the inventions at their time also thought it would change the job and the world completely. It didn’t.
it gets the job done better than a lot of teachers
Yeah you’re really going to have to back that one up. Especially since the data show otherwise
The oil crisis has an upside because using oil is actually bad for the environment. What’s the upside of millions of people losing their jobs?
Read my initial comment that you responded to… I’m not going to regurgitate shit because you can’t comprehend or remember.
And I’m not going to respond to your other comment, since I already told you to use just one thread. Paste it here or I won’t read it and it will just be a waste of your time.
Society will adapt. It always has. People can make much more meaningful contributions to society than working at a desk at some software company. Let the AI do that. Humans are way too valuable for that. Meaningfulness of the work one does is one of the most important features of work satisfaction. Not everyone needs to be a doctor, nurse or teacher. Those are just the most common examples, but there are many more meaningful jobs where you are not simply an AI in human form slaving away at a desk job.
It is also simply not true that things like suicide and addiction rates were higher in the recent past. For example, look at drug overdose rates that have risen sharply in the past decades.
You’re sweeping a lot under the rug with that first sentence: Society will adapt. Yeah sure, barring global catastrophe, it will. Doesn’t mean people won’t die and suffer in the process.
I’m making no claims about good vs. bad jobs here; people can self-actualize however they like in my book. Nor was I making any specific point about epidemiology of deaths of despair in the recent past, but I think that trend serves to illustrate the overall point.
What am I sweeping under the rug? I’m not saying that change will be easy, but I’m talking about the end result. Too many people have made the wrong choices and got fooled by companies dangling big paychecks in front of their noses to work shitty office jobs.
You insinuated that in the past, people killed themselves more and had more addiction problems due to the fact that they couldn’t get the job they wanted. That is simply not true and just guessing at things you can’t back up. I’m showed you that the opposite is true: the data only shows that deaths of despair are getting worse than before we had all these bullshit jobs. Whether that is because of them or not cannot be said, but it shows that what you’re saying is not true.
So for the last few millennia, technology has automated away mostly manual labor and created room for knowledge work. The stuff that used to require a human brain. The “slave jobs” you’re talking about.
AI has the opposite effect. Engineers, teachers, doctors, lawyers, nurses are going to be mostly worthless (surgeons will still be necessary for a while and nurses will still need to administer IVs and such, but largely anything that’s not physically interacting with a patient will be automated away quicker). Anything creative is out the window too. AI can write 500 movie scripts in the time you can write one… And we were already trending towards slop with streaming.
The jobs that are safest for now are the ones where you don’t need to use your brain but your body. Physical automatons are more expensive to buy and maintain than subscribing to some AI agent service and the workers they replace are cheaper.
Many of the jobs you mentioned, especially teachers, doctors and nurses cannot simply be replaced by AI because it doesn’t have the human aspect. A teacher needs to motivate people and be a mentor, understand kids’ reasoning and not display basic facts. We already had books for that.
AI is still very bad at solving the complex issues that doctors solve. It can’t do a physical examination and not everything is based on hard verifiable data, but also experience.
And nurses? I mean, you can think of that one for yourself.
Yes a lot of jobs are at risk. Not all are equally at risk though and “mostly worthless” is a looooong stretch.
Technically that’s the parents’ job as much as the teachers’. Just need to push for parents to shoulder more of the load. And who says we won’t have a specialized motivator/mentor AI in a year or two?
But even a simple chatbot like ChatGPT is very reactive and can pretend very well to understand reasoning, just like a teacher. And every student can ask their chatbot for help at the same time. Personally, I’m from a small town in Estonia - I can tell you that when I went to school, I had multiple teachers who for sure would’ve been inferior to 2022 ChatGPT, let alone 2026 ChatGPT or Claude. We just didn’t have better teachers available in this shithole. I’ve had an English teacher that didn’t speak English (she was actually a history teacher and a poor one at that, they just didn’t have a real English teacher to assign to us that year), an Estonian teacher that didn’t really understand Estonian… IN ESTONIA. I have no idea where they dug her up from. And over the years, I think at least two IT teachers who barely knew how to use a computer. One of the German teachers and one of the History teachers also couldn’t stop telling their personal stories. Learned nothing in either of those subjects that year. Luckily most of those horrible teachers only ended up teaching my class for one year at some point or another.
Actually the most valuable thing about school that technology can’t replace is the physical building itself containing the students. Just having a bunch of other kids your age, who are also going through what you’re going through. That’s worth more than any teacher, as we learned during COVID when kids were deprived of it.
AI is still very bad at solving the complex issues that software engineers solve. Yet junior engineers are no longer finding jobs.
Yes, that’s what I’m saying, there will be people whose job is nothing more than to do things like that, to provide the data. Then AI can guesstimate shit, and the doctor’s job will be just to verify that the AI didn’t fuck up. There’s no need to pay a great doctor that can talk to the patient, do a physical, come up with a diagnosis and solutions if you can just pay a mediocre one that just takes liability for the AI if it fucks up. You can also pay far fewer doctors. Of course there will be radiology techs, physical examination givers (might literally become a low wage job of its own to fill out standardized tests). Etc. But you’ll just have one or two specialized employees per task, rather than someone who needs a multi year degree and needs to know everything about the human body.
Good news then, because AI is literally 100% experience, 0% hard verifiable data. Chances are you’re adding to some future AI’s experience every time you fill something out on your EMR. Especially if it connects e.g radiology data to your notes.
I already said they’ll still exist, but their job will be a physical interface between the AI system and the patients, more than anything. Maybe this’ll take 10 years rather than 2, but it’ll happen.
The ones least at risk are, like I said, low-paid physical jobs. Also any high-end executives. CEOs do nothing of real value, but they won’t be replaced by AI because they’re friends with the directors. Parliament/congress will still be around. Of course in my country they’re talking about using AI to legislate as well. Or perhaps they’ve already started. We’re fucking doomed, yay.
Safest bet in 2026 is actually trades, because that gets you a job where you still need knowledge and experience is worth something, but you also have to be present physically. Automating a plumber or electrician is harder than automating a doctor or an engineer, that’s just how it is with modern AI. But with how many people are now unemployed, those jobs will also start paying a lot less than they used to.
Remember, for any job, it doesn’t REALLY matter if the AI can do it well, only how well it can be sold to the government, or company stakeholders, etc. If an AI can do 20% of a person’s job and the person costs 10x more than the AI to employ… That person can be laid off and other employees will have to pick up the remaining 80%, for no extra pay of course.
At the end of the day, as long as we still need jobs to live, we’re all fucked. There’s going to be no real middle class under capitalism anymore. There’s a war on many fronts and our jobs going away or getting enshittified is just one.
To be clear I don’t think anyone’s losing their existing job tomorrow. Doctor, teacher, engineer, lawyer, whatever. I think getting into any of these careers is going to be very difficult soon, the salaries for new hires in particular, but also everyone in general, will drop hard, and AI will replace humans gradually, and perhaps not completely. But all of these jobs are going to be streamlined, with AI doing most of the thinking for you, and the human being there for liability only.
Sounds like a wonderful plan.
Pretend. Yes. Thank you. Teaching may be aided by AI. Just like books, blackboards, curriculums, videos, power points etc.
You told me I was praising AI. Then what do you call this? Guess each accusation is an admission in disguise…
Not the experience I was talking about. AI has read a lot of books. That’s it.
It’s already what teachers are advocating for, since they have too much responsibility currently, and parents often don’t have a big enough role in their kids lives.
Yes, and that’s enough functionally. Actual understanding is not necessary if you can fake it to the point that people actually think AI is cognitive. Hell, did you read that article about Richard Dawkins now thinking Claude is conscious?
You do realize that videos and power points aren’t interactive and can’t generate their own lesson plans or grade tests, but AI can, right? You can see how that’s different, right?
You were praising AI for causing people to be unemployed, essentially. I’m saying AI’s a danger to our society because while it’s still not conscious and in its current form never will be, it can displace large amounts of jobs because it’s good enough. It will be used by capitalists to restructure society so we can all be in relative poverty.
LLMs have read a lot of books. There are other types of AI. Every day at work by interfacing with IT systems, you’re providing training material for future AI solutions in your field. They might not be LLMs at all. The contracts to train them off your patient data may not exist yet. But they will. Probably it’ll be Palantir sucking up to your government to get it. UK’s NHS is already letting Palantir hoover up healthcare data.
But good thing we can get rid of many doctors and teachers eventually, like you said about us engineers. We’ll need them for actually meaningful work in the trades and the hospitality industry.
Please stick to one thread. I’m not reading three different ones.
No it’s not LOL. Like you can pretend to be a very coginitvely smart and important person, but reality is different. People say a lot of things. Now we get to make memes about them.
Yes. I realize a lot of stuff. Maybe if you challenge yourself a bit more you could have figured that out yourself. I also realize books don’t have moving images like a video and that a laptop is not a blackboard. Thank you.
So in your line of thinking, if I say it’s a good thing that the oil crisis accelerated the transition to renewable energy, am I praising Trump and the Irani regime? If I tell you it’s a good thing Europe is improving their defence, am I praising Putin or Trump?
Aww so butthurt LOL. Grow the fuck up.
Make fewer comments in the same thread then.
Source on that please.
Never pretended to be either, I just said that if I’m not challenged with what pretty much amounts to puzzles of a sort, I get bored. I also said several times that this is because I have very severe ADHD not because I’m very “coginitively” (sic) smart or anything.
Well your previous comment sure sounded like you didn’t know the difference, comparing AI to a blackboard. AI is closer to a teacher than to a textbook in interactivity. It regurgitates previously learned information, sure… But so do teachers. And while it can’t really reason, it gets the job done better than a lot of teachers in small towns in particular, where there’s really no competition for the jobs (rather, everyone’s competing for the teachers).
The oil crisis has an upside because using oil is actually bad for the environment. What’s the upside of millions of people losing their jobs? That they can enter other industries and drive wages down there? It’s great for the capitalists, not for the rest of us.
I responded to this comment. You interjected yourself into that. Also, have some dignity and don’t do a “no u”. You’re an adult for christs sake.
Sure here you are.
You kinda did by calling other people’s work janitorial and factory work as if that was a bad thing.
That is not my lack of understanding, but yours. Both are tools for a teacher to use. How is this tool any different just because it appears to “talk back”? A powerpoint is more advanced than a book and a video more advanced than a still image. Teachers who dealt with the inventions at their time also thought it would change the job and the world completely. It didn’t.
Yeah you’re really going to have to back that one up. Especially since the data show otherwise
Read my initial comment that you responded to… I’m not going to regurgitate shit because you can’t comprehend or remember.
And I’m not going to respond to your other comment, since I already told you to use just one thread. Paste it here or I won’t read it and it will just be a waste of your time.